Overview[]
This list will contain list of all Logos elements locations known to this wiki. The list is almost automatically updated with Logos articles updates - you have to manually include the Logos symbol to the Zone list.
The list[]
Symbol | Name | LocX | LocZ | LocY | Zone | Comment | Mission | Patch | Edit |
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Concordia Wilderness [edit] | |||||||||
Area | 363 | 213 | 619 | Wilderness | Logos located in Pinhole Falls Cavern. Cavern entrance at 335, 229, 472 | mission | old | [edit] | |
Attack | 41 | 190 | -333 | Wilderness | mission | old | [edit] | ||
Damage | 406 | 245 | 441 | Wilderness | In a cave in a cliff behind a group of Foreans | mission | old | [edit] | |
Earth | -829 | 140 | -738 | Wilderness | Requires: Defend , Yours , Planet | mission | live | [edit] | |
Enemy | -436 | 187 | -619 | Wilderness | Behind Imperial Valley | mission | old | [edit] | |
Enhance | 832 | 16 | 960 | Wilderness | mission | old | [edit] | ||
Here | -979 | 285 | 744 | Wilderness | Requires: Mind , Power | mission | old | [edit] | |
Mind | -110 | 218 | 111 | Wilderness | mission | old | [edit] | ||
Power | 493 | 288 | 320 | Wilderness | Just outside Alia Das, to the south-west, near the cliff edge. | mission | old | [edit] | |
Projectile | 188 | 173 | 256 | Wilderness | mission | old | [edit] | ||
Self | -448 | 163 | -108 | Wilderness | mission | old | [edit] | ||
Target | -906 | 189 | -649 | Wilderness | mission | old | [edit] | ||
Time | 785 | 310 | 71 | Wilderness | Go up through the Forean structure, and into the alcove in the cliff side. | mission | old | [edit] | |
Feeling | -201 | 10 | 354 | Caves of Donn | mission | recent | [edit] | ||
Heal | 178 | 3 | -192 | Caves of Donn | You need to light all the fires in the instance, per the mission requirements in order to open the door at the end of the instance. | mission | old | [edit] | |
Trap | -299 | 41 | -251 | Caves of Donn | mission | old | [edit] | ||
Around | 24 | 71 | -9 | Crater Lake Research Facility | mission | old | [edit] | ||
Chaos | 24 | 71 | -20 | Crater Lake Research Facility | mission | old | [edit] | ||
Movement | 0 | 90 | 115 | Crater Lake Research Facility | Just below the Predator at the beginning | mission | old | [edit] | |
Communication | -178 | 5 | -86 | Pravus Research Facility | In Foreas camp, next to lake. | mission | old | [edit] | |
Control | -184 | 58 | 132 | Pravus Research Facility | There is a side passage just south of the NorthWest Fortification - Turn Left | mission | recent | [edit] | |
Machine | -54 | 42 | -317 | Pravus Research Facility | Just south of Southwest Fortification | mission | recent | [edit] | |
Future | 348 | 332 | 256 | Guardian Prominence | mission | old | [edit] | ||
Concordia Divide [edit] | |||||||||
Asleep | -753 | 174 | 822 | Divide | North by North-East of Northwestern Highlands Waypoint | old | [edit] | ||
Awake | -134 | 49 | 534 | Divide | Enter the teleporter at -42, 116, 435, and then enter another teleporter at -97, 53, 480. |
old | [edit] | ||
Backward | 290 | 100 | -505 | Divide | Above the ruined village | mission | old | [edit] | |
Defend | 106 | 138 | 691 | Divide | West off the path from Foreas Base to Thoria Das | mission | old | [edit] | |
Enlighten | 621 | 82 | -13 | Divide | Northeast of the ruined tower | live | [edit] | ||
Friend | -763 | 146 | 355 | Divide | At the end of the road | mission | old | [edit] | |
Give | 746 | 98 | -4 | Divide | Located within the upper part of the Xanx cave at (695,89,57) | mission | old | [edit] | |
Increase | -961 | 128 | -623 | Divide | West of Purgas Control Point | mission | old | [edit] | |
Life | -766 | 182 | 525 | Divide | Cross gorge using fallen tree from -696 150 410 then climb the slope. | mission | old | [edit] | |
Negative | 184 | 121 | 138 | Divide | North of Foxtrot Outpost | mission | old | [edit] | |
Now | 515 | 89 | 764 | Divide | In the Xanx valley | old | [edit] | ||
Speed | 141 | 142 | 412 | Divide | Uphill just north of the passage to Foreas Base (from 225,368; the hill is North West) | old | [edit] | ||
Star | 3 | 116 | 771 | Divide | Behind Foreas Base, near the wormhole. | old | [edit] | ||
Summon | 870 | 156 | 526 | Divide | Inside cave at the top of the ruins Requires: Friend , Star , Life , Enlighten , Here |
mission | old | [edit] | |
Transform | -475 | 141 | 583 | Divide | Directly North of Nidu Dav village, in a small pond | mission | old | [edit] | |
Victory | -797 | 122 | 445 | Divide | Inside a cave, entrance by the river at (-790, 118, 555). Requires: Enhance , Power , Transform , Attack , Enemy |
old | [edit] | ||
War | 358 | 87 | 594 | Divide | Requires: Area , Attack , Damage , Increase , Here | old | [edit]
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Those | 26 | -33 | -51 | Minos Caverns | In the Minos Caverns, in the pool just to the left and back of Recon Officer Tyler | old | [edit]
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Concordia Palisades [edit] | |||||||||
Ground | 240 | 145 | 787 | Palisades | mission | old | [edit] | ||
Have | 278 | 139 | -752 | Palisades | South of Devils Den: cave entrance is East of Fort Dew at 27, 164, -735 | old | [edit] | ||
Honor | -310 | 140 | 87 | Palisades | Just north of the Bane bunker west of Hightower Outpost. | old | [edit] | ||
Knowledge | -290 | 161 | 984 | Palisades | Inside a cave on the north edge of map, entrance -219, 175, 945. Requires: Transform , Man , Life |
old | [edit] | ||
Man | -180 | 64 | -120 | Palisades | Inside the Waterfall Cave directly south of Hightower Outpost, enterance at -30, -5 Requires: Power , Control , Life |
old | [edit] | ||
Planet | 420 | 110 | 386 | Palisades | It can be found located on an island in the south part of Lake Elinor. | old | [edit] | ||
Through | -404 | 166 | 635 | Palisades | From the waypoint at the Cumbria Research Facility, head up onto the hill. There is a small, slightly obscure, path leading up there in the rockface. | mission | old | [edit] | |
Today | -521 | 188 | -42 | Palisades | SE of Walk of Giants Waypoint on a path, it has 4 lighted pillars around it. | old | [edit] | ||
Tomorrow | 834 | 153 | -398 | Palisades | South of Staging Point. | old | [edit] | ||
True | -423 | 148 | -417 | Palisades | Located down on a small isle in Horsetail Falls. | mission | old | [edit] | |
Yours | 683 | 162 | -802 | Palisades | Getting to this Logos is tricky. You need to get all the way into the base, by the door to the Treeback Camp instance. There are two doors by the instance entrance, take the door on the left (going East). Go through the tunnel, taking the first right. That tunnel will lead to the shrine. | old | [edit]
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These | -200 | 181 | -180 | Eloh Vale | Up on the northern hill on the west side of Eloh Vale. Easily obtained during the flare mission. | live | [edit]
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Torden Plains [edit] | |||||||||
Add | 168 | 454 | 742 | Plains | In the northwest corner of the base | mission | live | [edit] | |
Container | -858 | 422 | -467 | Plains | Best approached from the east | mission | live | [edit] | |
Crush | -111 | 375 | -656 | Plains | Near the crashed Eloh ship | live | [edit] | ||
Lightning | -623 | 464 | 337 | Plains | Southwest of Mt. Hellas Outpost | mission | live | [edit] | |
Looking | -537 | 431 | -213 | Plains | Best approached from the east | mission | live | [edit] | |
Or | 907 | 390 | 40 | Plains | North from the Relay Station, then down a small trail | live | [edit] | ||
Repair | 375 | 423 | -420 | Plains | South of Irendas Penal Colony | mission | live | [edit] | |
Was | -95 | 432 | 128 | Plains | In open sight | live | [edit] | ||
Was Not | 1079 | 450 | 605 | Plains | Small alcove by the foot of the mountains | live | [edit] | ||
Weak | 588 | 444 | 227 | Plains | West of Eir Post, on a small plateau in the crags | mission | live | [edit]
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Torden Incline [edit] | |||||||||
Clarity | 1180 | 296 | 414 | Incline | Requires: It , Is , Not , Time | mission | old | [edit] | |
Create | 692 | 263 | -25 | Incline | mission | old | [edit] | ||
Death | 1180 | 296 | 385 | Incline | In cave connected to Brann terrorist camp. Requires: It , Is , Not , Time |
mission | old | [edit] | |
Hide | 635 | 258 | -68 | Incline | mission | old | [edit] | ||
Is | 900 | 270 | 219 | Incline | On an island close to shore, surrounded by lava. | old | [edit] | ||
It | 202 | 583 | 596.3 | Incline | NW of Command Post Badlands, up in the mountains near edge of map in small glade | old | [edit] | ||
Near | -578 | 243 | -472 | Incline | mission | old | [edit] | ||
Not | -903.2 | 295 | -10.8 | Incline | West edge of map, go West from the constructor bot field and you'll see a path up the hill leading to two glowing pillars. Logos is up there | live | [edit] | ||
Teleport | 694 | 257 | -75 | Incline | mission | old | [edit]
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Torden Mires [edit] | |||||||||
Destruction | -328 | 221 | 187 | Mires | mission | old | [edit] | ||
Effect | 103 | 215 | 323 | Mires | mission | old | [edit] | ||
Location | -721 | 256 | 536 | Mires | Just outside the northern end of the tunnel | mission | old | [edit] | |
Many | -313 | 240 | -202 | Mires | Inside a small Bane compound. Easiest to access from Quicksilver Post. | mission | old | [edit] | |
Of | 32 | 237 | 666 | Mires | Head up the path from below Condor toward the Fluxite Mines. At the top of the hill the path takes a hard right to the north... ignore it and continue west through the stone arch. The Logos is just beyond the arch guarded by (typically) 2 Bane. | old | [edit] | ||
On | 430 | -190 | 23 | Mires | Almost fully encircled by crags, approach from Fort Lapyx. Up bank near Lightbenders. | old | [edit] | ||
Return | -179 | 206 | 81 | Mires | mission | old | [edit] | ||
Spirit | -100 | 268 | -400 | Mires | Follow the top of the ridge south from Checkpoint 17 teleporter. | mission | old | [edit] | |
Will Be | -339 | 247 | -304 | Mires | Just south of midway between Checkpoint 17 & Quicksilver Post. High on a hillside overlooking a waterwheel. | old | [edit] | ||
Will Not | -403 | 214 | -656 | Mires | Go straight east on the path out of Baylor Base. Pass under a rock arc and keep following it as it wraps around down the cliff face. | live | [edit]
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Neph | 282 | 108 | 562/155 | Bane Fluxite Mines | Through a cave-in at the top right of the map | old | [edit]
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Valverde Plateau [edit] | |||||||||
Before | -592 | 410 | 161 | Plateau | South across the chasm from Pinnacle Watchtower. Travel from Velon Das, or through the Warnet tunnel. Watch out for Stalkers interrupting your learning. | old | [edit] | ||
Choice | -436 | 403 | 540 | Plateau | On top of the hill north of Northwest AFS (CP), approach hill from the west | live | [edit] | ||
Eloh | -290 | 309 | -699 | Plateau | Underneath the western waterfall of Maligo Creek, approach by curved trail to the west. | old | [edit] | ||
Empower | -444 | 380 | 882 | Plateau | In the Mox cave, entrance at (-450,716). Requires: The , Choice , Not , Yours |
old | [edit] | ||
If | 90 | 321 | 153 | Plateau | On a ledge south and below Waypoint: Trinity Bridge | old | [edit] | ||
Only | 678 | 464 | -838 | Plateau | In a cave south of Septic Bog (entrace 622, 440, -823). Easy access by going south and then uphill east from Ustor Yard entrance. | old | [edit] | ||
Past | -120 | 327 | -702 | Plateau | In the middle of a cave tunnel going between the western and eastern waterfalls. | mission | old | [edit] | |
Strong | -499 | 319 | 19 | Plateau | Inside warnet cave along the river below Pinnacle Watchtower, entrance at (-460,130). | old | [edit] | ||
The | 377 | 368 | 602 | Plateau | Above the New Velon village, climb the ramp just outside the south exit. | live | [edit] | ||
Vortex | -115.8 | -482.2 | -324 | Plateau | Inside cave along the Maligo Base moat, just below the central ramp. Entrance at (-122, 405, -392). Requires: Eloh , Empower , Only , The , Strong |
mission | live | [edit]
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Valverde Pools [edit] | |||||||||
How | -314 | 873 | 749 | Pools | Accessed from a cave with an Eloh hologram immediately to the right of Retread Caves instance entrance. | old | [edit] | ||
In | -887 | 941 | 527 | Pools | Right next to the dropship landing zone | old | [edit] | ||
Lightness | 312 | 885 | 380 | Pools | Accessible from a cave inside the Retread Outpost Control Point, entrance (275, 301). Requires: Many , Will Not , Question , The , Past |
live | [edit] | ||
Nothing | 92 | 840 | 378 | Pools | in a small deep valley just west of Retread Outpost | old | [edit] | ||
Permit | 248 | 726 | 202 | Pools | In the cave by the Eloh Cave waypoint, entrance at 250, 70 Requires: If , You , Give , Choice |
old | [edit] | ||
Question | -240 | 888 | 820 | Pools | Outside of the Retread Caves instance entrance, to the right. Requires: Knowledge , Will Be , Yours |
old | [edit] | ||
What | 893 | 683 | 179 | Pools | Just south of the entrance to the East Listening Post next to a stone shrine. | old | [edit] | ||
When | 11 | 687 | -492 | Pools | Behind a rock south of Lake Morass | old | [edit] | ||
Where | -666 | 748 | -394 | Pools | In the hills west of Bane Comm Center CP | old | [edit] | ||
You | -86 | 863 | 462 | Pools | South-east of the Retread Camp WP (not the Retread Outpost CP). Easily visible if you run up the pyramid and look down and southeast. | old | [edit]
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Distance | 38 | 10 | -16 | Lamna Armory | Can be reached after killing the overlord (need the keys from the three sub bosses, insert in the slots on the left of the door and press the button to unlock). | mission | old | [edit]
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Far | -40 | -110 | -224 | Turpis Refinery | in an unmapped cave section beyond the south-eastern end of the looping central corridor | mission | old | [edit]
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Valverde Marshes [edit] | |||||||||
Ancestor | 555 | 217 | -189 | Marshes | In the Burning Mire almost near the middle | live | [edit] | ||
Cloud | -76 | 222 | -719 | Marshes | live | [edit] | |||
Confront | -344 | 221 | 671 | Marshes | It's West of Falcon Hold along the edge of the map behind some rocks | live | [edit] | ||
Cosmos | 89 | 225 | -716 | Marshes | live | [edit] | |||
Evil | 550 | 235 | -680 | Marshes | Access from Bane Repair Station. Requires: Fear , The , Neph , In , You |
live | [edit] | ||
Fear | -87 | 220 | -560 | Marshes | live | [edit] | |||
Good | -508 | 232 | -690 | Marshes | live | [edit] | |||
Logos Element | 122 | 218 | 50 | Marshes | In the Eastern Mud Pit right out side of a Bane structure | live | [edit] | ||
May | 750 | 217 | 754 | Marshes | In the same cave as the P'reo Das entrance | live | [edit] | ||
Meet | -508 | 212 | -850 | Marshes | found in a cave with entrance at -502, 217, -780.(/loc coords. map coords is -511,-616) It's a small cave passage behind trees. | live | [edit] | ||
Opposite | 305 | 218 | -37 | Marshes | Right next to an Eloh statue in the eastern mud pit | live | [edit] | ||
Rain | -440 | 222 | -320 | Marshes | live | [edit]
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Logos | 608 | -27 | Logos Research Facility | mission | live | [edit]
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Civilization | -30 | 57 | 18 | P'reo Das | Access through a small channel in E'bae Marsh behind E'bae Das, entrance (-80, 55, -84) | live | [edit] | ||
Disperse | -34 | 374 | P'reo Das | (map coords) In the central console of the Bane control room | mission | live | [edit] | ||
Ligo Crucible [edit] | |||||||||
Because | 787 | 152 | 169 | Crucible | From the north west exit of Outpost Intrepid (by Lieutenant Sherer) follow the path around to the left | live | [edit] | ||
Blind | -268 | 181 | 228 | Crucible | The logos is found in through the south passage on the lowest level of the Staal Detention Center. | live | [edit] | ||
But | 52 | 221 | 152 | Crucible | At the end of the path across the bridge from Prometheus Outpost, overlooking the large lava lake to the east of Staal | live | [edit] | ||
Everyone | -289 | 248 | -4 | Crucible | In a small cave. | live | [edit] | ||
Love | 600 | 181 | -236 | Crucible | Through an eastern tunnel in Khulago Base. Requires: Good , Is , Asleep , In , Neph |
live | [edit] | ||
Pick Up | 782 | 171 | 762 | Crucible | In the rubble to the north of Fort Intrepid Ruins outside the main wall | live | [edit] | ||
Plant | -255 | 251 | 581 | Crucible | live | [edit] | |||
Seeds | -742 | 298 | 439 | Crucible | On a small bluff with two connecting stone arches. | live | [edit] | ||
Submit | 32 | 233 | -2 | Crucible | This Logos is protected by two Eloh doors. These doors are in about the center of a cave just south of the top entrance of Staal. (32,232,40) Requires: Everyone , Plant , Seeds , Of , Evil and Logos , Is , How , Everyone , Transform |
live | [edit] | ||
Weave | 481 | 167 | 208 | Crucible | Fun fact: The Logos is not properly shown above the pad. (Read: This may no longer be the same logos.) | live | [edit] | ||
Ligo Thunderhead [edit] | |||||||||
Hold | 800 | 382 | -811 | Thunderhead | live | [edit] | |||
Ice | -843 | 390 | -191 | Thunderhead | live | [edit] | |||
Journey | -583 | 430 | -397 | Thunderhead | live | [edit] | |||
Night | 425 | 298 | 59 | Thunderhead | live | [edit] | |||
Place | 842 | 379 | -74 | Thunderhead | live | [edit] | |||
Rebirth | -362 | 425 | 480 | Thunderhead | Along the ridge leading to the Quasso Station entrance forcefield amongst Xanx. | live | [edit] | ||
Together | -150 | 404 | 404 | Thunderhead | In the Devil's Backbone hill immediately south and a touch west of the Quasso Station entrance. Scramble up the NE face to reach. | live | [edit] | ||
Which | 291 | 406 | 389 | Thunderhead | live | [edit] | |||
Bomb | -332 | 4 | 60 | Quasso Station | Requires: You , Hold , The , Planet , Together | live | [edit] | ||
Ligo Ashen Desert [edit] | |||||||||
And / With | -577 | 345 | 611 | Ashen Desert | live | [edit] | |||
At | -343 | 338 | 694 | Ashen Desert | live | [edit] | |||
Immortality | 618 | 335 | -33 | Ashen Desert | Up a rock incline near the Bane missile silos. Easy to spot. | live | [edit] | ||
Lost | -101 | 334 | 22 | Ashen Desert | On a hill overlooking Sheitan Embankment Bane base from the south. | live | [edit] | ||
Ours | -212 | 302 | 507 | Ashen Desert | live | [edit] | |||
Dominate | -113 | 114 | -602 | Bane Conscription Facility | Cave entrance -126,145,-537 | live | [edit]
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Torden Abyss [edit] | |||||||||
Believe | -509 | 500 | 224 | Abyss | Beneath the passage between Tantalus Cavern and Styx Cavern. From the Styx Cavern end take an immediate sharp left and follow the passage around to (-420, 516, 224). | live | [edit] | ||
Fire | 92 | 537 | -413 | Abyss | In the south east of the Devil's Cauldron cave | live | [edit] | ||
Growth | -315 | 183 | -440 | Abyss | Jump off the cliff at -350, -540 (don't worry, you can really jump without dying). Requires Believe (logos) and Jump (logos). You may want to merely step off the cliff as opposed to leaping off at high speed so that you don't crater while you're teleporting into the room. | live | [edit] | ||
Jump | -408 | 528 | 318 | Abyss | In the far northwest of the map in a cavern that opens off the route between Tantalus Cavern and Styx Cavern. Guarded by Overseer Grimor. | live | [edit] | ||
Poison | -315 | 550 | -136 | Abyss | Up the hill immediately south of the tavern | live | [edit] | ||
Imbalance | 510 | 568 | -190 | Abyss | Just east-south-east of Tampei settlement; carry on up the hill past the waypoint teleporter | live | [edit] | ||
Valverde Descent [edit] | |||||||||
Coming | -357 | 623 | -66 | Descent | Up a small rock incline north of Camp Cato. | live | [edit] | ||
Others' | 603 | 366 | -106 | Descent | In a small alcove in a southeast corner of Mal Dys. | live | [edit] | ||
Phi | 24 | 459 | 570 | Descent | It is probably easiest to drop down from the cliff east of the Phantom Perch waypoint. It is also accessible by ascending a short ramp outside the western exit of the Antaeus Hollow waypoint. | live | [edit] | ||
Signs | 385 | 320 | Descent | live | [edit] | ||||
There | 300 | 610 | Descent | live | [edit] | ||||
Winter | -657 | 671 | 187 | Descent | In a secluded overlook west-northwest of the Virgil's Resonator Control Point. It is only accessible by dropping down from the ramp outside this CP. | live | [edit]
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Open | 550 | 3 | -248 | Outpost Inferno | Once almost through the instance, there will be an Eloh door (no req). Beyond is a fork with another door and a dead end. The logos is found on the DEAD END path. The door (no req. again) contains an Eloh reliquary (chest). | live | [edit] | ||
Function | 256 | 171 | -285 | Sanctus Grotto | There is a unique Eloh symbol puzzle lock during the mission to gain access to this logos. | mission | live | [edit] | |
Valverde Howling Maw [edit] | |||||||||
Child | -1374 | 182 | 548 | Howling Maw | Take the right path around the ravine. In the cave, leave through the central exit. Cross the bridge. The logos is guarded by the boss Phage and several Infected Foreans. | live | [edit] | ||
East | -220 | 214 | 631 | Howling Maw | live | [edit] | |||
Everyone's | 232 | 249 | -493 | Howling Maw | Requires: Take , That , Which , Is , Yours | live | [edit] | ||
Father | 319 | 172 | -1138 | Howling Maw | In a cave in the river on the southeast area of Howling Maw | live | [edit] | ||
Few | -470 | 123 | -490 | Howling Maw | The alcove is accessed via a local teleporter inside the CP. Requires: North , South , East , West |
live | [edit] | ||
Mother | 868 | 215 | 410 | Howling Maw | Through a cave on the northeast shore of Lake Divinus. | live | [edit] | ||
North | -905 | 239 | -91 | Howling Maw | live | [edit] | |||
People | 56 | 203 | -522 | Howling Maw | live | [edit] | |||
South | 632 | 238 | -517 | Howling Maw | In a narrow ravine, guarded by miasmas (stationary) and a patrol. (avoidable) | live | [edit] | ||
Take | -1408 | 251 | 157 | Howling Maw | Atop a cliff on western edge of map, guarded many Warnets. | live | [edit] | ||
That | -968 | 234 | -1093 | Howling Maw | In a high level zone, but unguarded. Head northwest from the wormhole, and you'll find it in an opening in the cliffs. | live | [edit] | ||
West | 665 | 162 | -802 | Howling Maw | Southeast lake/river area of map, swim under a fallen head statue into cave to reach. | live | [edit] |
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